Some sort of hybrid might be the best.
I don’t think all counties are needed, but you don’t want to leave out some of the less populated areas that might be a desired destination for travelers, like Joshua Tree, Catalina, Death Valley, etc….
I’m going through “Los Angeles” and finding a lot of cities that aren’t part of Los Angeles and requesting they get moved to “California”, which is consistent and accurate — although, granted, many such cities like Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Glendale, etc. are certainly part of the “Greater L.A.” experience.
Things are more clear-cut in the Bay Area, and there is no political boundary called “The Bay Area”, but county seperations there could also help a bit too. (Except San Francisco, which I think is the only city that is its own county in the state, except maybe that island underneath the Bay Bridge?)
I mainly want to see if the Californians here would be interested in this. I’ve spent much of my life in California, having had road and city maps burned into my brain, so I’d be excited to help out with such hierarchy changes, if that would be O.K. with the California crew here on 43 places (and of course, The Robots…)
(Orange County is the only exception so far, because it’s often referred to by its county name when mentioned… whereas this isn’t the case with the L.A. basin or the Bay Area.)
why not just add a “Greater LA Area” then? Since that is the only part of the state causing problems you can have an LA and a Greater LA Area. Then there is no need for counties per say
The problem with “Greater L.A.” is everyone defines “Greater L.A.” differently.. which is/was the problem with “Southern California”. Counties are more deterministic. They have politically defined borders that can be looked up. Cities are either inside or outside counties, almost all of the time at least. Not so with “Greater Insert-City-Here” generalizations.
good point – makes sense.
So I go back to my first comment – put in the most populous counties for now and then add more counties as people show a demand for them.
Of course that could be confusing to a user trying to drill down when they see a bunch of counties but not the one they are looking for.
Is it hard to put the counties in? How many counties would really be left out by being selective?
Your first suggestion sounds best. And if a user didn’t know which county a city/landmark was in, he/she could just enter the name of the city/landmark in the Search box, and the options would show up and point out the hierarchy for him/her.
Getting to the destination isn’t an issue as much as how many users are going to bother using the Search box as opposed to wanting to hyperlink down into a destination. This is more of a higher usability issue specific to the site in general. I’ll defer to the ’bots about this one.
But, as a first pass, creating:
- Los Angeles County
- Ventura County
- San Bernardino County
- Riverside County
…would take care of “Greater L.A.”. Orange County has already been created.
“Greater San Diego” could benefit from this as well with San Diego County. I remember people thinking Chula Vista and National City were San Diego neighborhoods in one S.D. question thread, which created a small argument. For consistency, Imperial County would be created to round out Southern California.
Later on, maybe Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, and Kern Counties might be created, but I think the locations therein will be alright without them for now.
I want to hear back from others though to make sure this something people would want. Perhaps, it’s best to wait a few days… I’ll send a message to the Bots about this as well.
Note: I do want to stress that I don’t think all of Ventura, San Bernardino, and Riverside Counties make up Greater L.A.! There are certainly large enough populated areas within each of these places that blend into L.A. (Thousand Oaks, Chino, Fontana, Corona, etc.), but I realize that San Bernardino and Riverside counties are huge! The rest of these counties pretty much make up most of the Mojave Desert. So I stress these designations mainly for the cities, and not for the large natural entities as such.
I agree, plug in some counties for now – and then, at a later date, if people feel there is a demand for the other counties, add them.
Maybe groupings of counties and areas.
Maybe Divided like this:
1)Nothern CA above Sacremento
2)Stockton, Sacremeno and up to Lake Tahoe
3)The Bay Area
4)The Valley and the Sierra Nevada Mountains
5)San Bernardino, Riverside and Imperial Counties plus parts of their surrounding counties for a Southern CA section
6)The Greater LA Area which is Santa Monica down to San Clemente (if going by highways East of 23 South of 118 and 210, West of somewhere between 57 and 15, West of 241, north of 5 when it meets the coast South of San Clemente)
7)The San Diego Area which goes up to Orange County but not the area in the S. CA section
8)The Coastal Area which is Monterey County to Ventura County.
I hope that helps. It seems logical to me.
Well, the arbitrary groupings — as I pointed out above — fall into the same trap. What you define as parts of California, others will see differently.
This is all moot now, because — on a parallel thread regarding L.A. — Todd Gehman, one of the Bots, mentioned that there are plans for the site to recognize the concept of “greater hubs” rooted in large cities, which will be an alternate way to deal with this situation rather than defining a “Greater Metro Area” location specifically, and re-tree.
I’m happy with the Bots’ proposal, as it recognizes the independence of the cities, but still allows casual city browsers to easily jump around a greater metro area.
So the final answer is: “NO, but a better idea is being worked on to deal with this.” :)
(..still allowing for Orange County to exist still, because its an odd exception.)
PS: otherwise, Lzygenius, I group California similarly in my mind, just so you know.
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yes, at least north and south. I mean, for example, people in the north say hella while the south doesn’t. But in all honesty, the cultures are so different which is what makes the CA so awesome. Also people must remember that even the south, east, and north bay differ heavily.
My final say on the matter:
Once the mega Cali earthquake hits, California will have to be broken up into “San Andreas Island” and “Mainland California” anyway :)
OK, I’m out.
How about california seceedes from the union and america rids itself of all these plastic people and allthe horrible hollywood culture/pop music blah? I cant wait to move back to the south or east coast! wooohooo! or maybe even canada.. Ey? And whats this about people being different? Where? In california i see gym rats and athletic numb minds as far as the eye can see. SF being one and only exception.. maybe when the earth quake hits, SF will be a little island and i will already be out of here. The rest can all go to hell. death to pop culture!
Interesting question. While it could be useful for people to have the state divided up into more sections, it’s worth remembering that foreigners might not know what these are, or where the counties are. Some barely know where California is – some people think it’s a city!
OK, I promised I’d “be out”, but I can’t let this go. If anything, more non-U.S. people think California is a country rather than a city — and even that’s a very small amount of people. Maybe I’ve been lucky, but in the semi-decent amount of world travel I’ve done, I’ve gotten the impression the world is pretty aware exactly what California is, or — more to the point — very aware of the basic facts about the organization of the U.S. — dare I say moreso than some Americans, even.
Not everybody, but a lot more than you think!
I should also stress again that the quasi-official answer to this question about re-org’ing Cali is No, because a better solution to this issue is coming soon.. see Todd’s entry
I live in San diego. I don’t think California should be divided up anymore than it already is.
To give some examples:
We have San Diego City, inside San Diego County. Then we have school districts and government districts. Not to mention area code and zip code groups.
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