alpha foxtrot lima
Edmonton
alpha foxtrot lima
Edmonton
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Helsinki
Venice in Italy(?) and then onto Crete, sounds nice. How many days can you spare for Crete ?
have you checked the www.hotelclub.com ? They tend to have good deals on Hotels.
alpha foxtrot lima
Edmonton
I probably will have 2 weeks – maybe three – for the whole trip, which may or may not include a stop in England.
The only place I’ll need accomodation is Venice – thanks for the website info!
Sam Swanson
Brighton
I would look at travelling down through Italy to Brindisi and taking the boat to Patras ( 18 hrs ). You then can make your way accross the Peloponese to Athens and Piraeus ( 6 hrs ) and take the overnight ferry (12 hrs ) to Iralkeio or Chania. To me that would be the nicest most visual method, enjoy.
geminica
Portland
There are some discount airlines in Europe that might get you through one leg of the journey. Ryanair doesn’t offer direct flights, and I don’t think Europebyair will help you, but those are two examples of budget air options that don’t have an equivalent in the US.
I agree with the commenter above who said take the train and then two ferries – it’ll be among the cheapest routes anyway and you’ll get to see the world passing as you travel. If you do this, though, you’ll want to stop a couple of times on the way, because it’s hard to sleep on the ferries (unless you shell out extra for a cabin, and even then it’s not so easy). But by ferry, you end up seeing coastlines and passing islands in the early morning light, and that’s really special.
alpha foxtrot lima
Edmonton
I hope I’m not too drugged up on Gravol (I get really seasick) to enjoy it!
That might help me sleep though ;)
Martin Kosír
18 places
I travelled to Crete from Patras, which has also excellent ferry connection to Italy. From Patras I took the train to Piraeus and then ferry to Chania. I bet you will enjoy the ferry very much. It’s the perfect place to meet other backpackers and young people from all around the world.
jadess3
41 places
I am not sure about prices, especially from Italy, but I do know it is pretty cheap to get from Pireus to Chania. You can spend a day and/or night in Athens that way (about 20-30 min from Pireus). I would highly recommend the south western part of Crete and also the Samaria gorge (if you like hiking that is. Its Europes largest and all downhill to the beach – beautiful!)
wooly
Nivå
I’ve never taken the trip my self, but for some one not enjoying the sea (-sickness), it might be to many hours on deck? Some basic tips;
1) If Sailers are pigs, greek sailors are apparently in a leauge of theire own. Find some one to travel with (on the boat if you travel alone or just girls) – Greeks respect men…....
2) Ferry boardings are a battle – greek grannies are the worst – but after a while I kinda enjoyed it.
3) disembarking is even better – you’ll normally be “attacked” by people trying to sell you a room; It’s usually OK, but can be overwhelming at first – always say U’ll stay 5-6 day’s even if U’ll only be 1 or 2 (better chances).
Personally I would look for a flight to save time – if you can aford it.
When on Crete I’ll recomments the Samaria canyon walk – get an EARLY bus to avoid walking in que. http://community.webshots.com/album/176145138PnecLW
Best walk ever (and I’m Norwegian!).
Should you choose ferries there are fast options (more expencive): e.g. Italy – greece: http://www.superfast.com/Adriatic/English/index.aspx
Info on crete:
http://www.west-crete.com/travel-transport-to-crete.htm
Planes: e.g.
http://www.expedia.co.uk (I have NO experience with using this service)
Best of luck
konelli
Iraklio
I’m sorry to hear that apparently you had some bad experiences, which neither I or my wife have ever shared (in 10 years travelling with Greek ferries). I don’t know much about sailors being pigs, but the Greek sailors that I have met were most polite and courteous, also to my wife when she travelled alone (living on an island you’re bound to travel a lot by ferry). The chaotic boardings en disembarkings might be true for the smaller islands, but miss kitten will definitely NOT experience such things on her journey.
konelli
Iraklio
I second those that suggest taking the ferry from Italy to Greece (Patras). It’s a fantastic experience and one you shouldn’t deprive yourself of. I now live in Iraklio, Crete and have taken the ferry to Greece from every port in Italy. I’d recommend leaving by ferry from Venice (since you’re there). Traveling by train to a port more south in Italy (Ancona, Bari, Brindisi) will not save you much money or time.
Minoan Lines (fastest, newer boats, more comfortable, €55 one way in low season, after August 15th) leaves daily at 14:00 and arrives at 20:00 the next day. With ANEK Lines (slowest, older boats, €50 one way in low season, after August 15th) you have more options: Mondays at 18:00, arrival at 06:00, Tuesdays and Wednesday at 19:00, arrival also at 06:00, Thursday no sailing, Fridays to Sundays at 12:00, arrival at 21:00 (you’ll be spending between 30 and 36 hours on the ferry). All ferries halt at Igoumenitsa (north of Greece) and the island of Corfu. Minoan mentions a €8 fuel surcharge per way/passenger. ANEK has no fuel surcharge but things can (and invariably will in Greece) change, so check the internet (good site is http://www.greekferries.gr).
Patras is cultural capital of Europe this year and there are bound to be lots of activities. Don’t rush out immediately but enjoy your stay there. Also see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/main.jhtml?xml=/travel/2006/06/28/etpatras28.xml&sSheet=/travel/2006/06/28/ixtrvhome.html
To travel from Patras to Piraeas (where you’ll take the ferry to Crete, take the train. In Patras ask for a ticket directly to Piraeas port (port=limin or limani), it’ll cost you between €5 and €6 one way for a plain seat (comfortable enough). Buy your ticket in advance if possible (immediately when you arrive in Patras). You’ll have to change trains in Athens for Piraeas. Total trip takes about 4 hours.
1: PATRAI – ATHINA
Train No Departure Time Arrival Time
11 05:55 09:28
21 09:55 13:28
23 13:55 17:28
25 15:54 19:28
25 15:54 19:28
27 17:57 21:28
2: ATHINA – PEIRAIAS LIMIN
Train No Departure Time Arrival Time
1531 06:40 07:01
1535 07:45 08:06
1537 08:16 08:37
1539 08:46 09:10
41 11:07 11:36
47 11:07 11:36
51 11:37 12:07
1549 13:46 14:07
53 15:16 15:49
1553 15:52 16:14
71 16:43 17:11
1559 17:46 18:07
2531 18:48 19:11
55 19:46 20:14
2535 20:46 21:09
57 23:09 23:37
I’m sorry but I can’t seem to get the formatting of this table right: there are 3 element, first the train number, then departure time, followed by arrival time. I hope you can still figure it out. You can find all this information on the site of OSE (Organismos Sidirodromon Ellados): http://www.ose.gr (click ‘EN’ for English).
The last stretch (you’re almost there!) takes you from Piraeas to either Chania (in the west) or Iraklio (more central) of Crete. Again, you have the choice between Minoan and ANEK. You could ask in Venice for a combined ticket, that might entitle you to a discount if you travel both legs with the same company (not 100% sure about that though, these rules change as often as the wind here).
Piraeas-Iraklio: departures 21:00, arrival 06:00, €37 Deck one way with Minoan, €32 with ANEK. Again, the Minoan ferry is newer and a bit more comfortable than ANEK’s.
Piraeas-Chania:
With Hellenic Seaways (high-speed catamaran), departure at 16:00, arrival at 20:45. €41.50 economy non smoking.
With ANEK, departure at 21:00, arrival at 06:00 next day. €30 deck one way.
About sleeping on the ferries: do what everybody else does and install yourself in a quiet corner. Do this beforehand, mark your territory with a folded out sleeping bag or something that can serve the same purpose! Don’t be too shy about this, if it is crowded, you’ll need to be firm. Some people take up whole stretches of seats in the bar e.g. Then have a few glasses of red wine before retreating and Kali-nichta (good night)!
Enjoy Crete, the nicest place on earth, chosen by the gods (and by me, since I chose to live here :-)