mackro
Seattle

Worth visiting!

A review of this place: Nice place to visit and live. If only fear didn't rule the city, though... :-/

I was here all last week to take part in a 100 guitar symphony at the Pageant. Rehearsals were at Powell Symphony Hall.

The pluses:
  • MetroLink. I stayed at the Civic Center Sheraton, so I was just across the street from take the train to many neighborhoods, and used it to get to Lambert/STL airport and back on the cheap. Of course, being in Seattle, which has yet to have a train system, I was enamored.
  • Architecture. So many swarthy old buildings, so little time.
  • The Arch. It was quick, but I enjoyed my tour of the arch. I went into the Mork & Mindy pods up to the top to take photos.
  • Hospitality. Aside from older white suit-n-tie men in downtown who looked at me like dirt, I was treated very kindly by everybody around me inside and outside, no matter the race, class, etc.
The BIG MINUS:
  • Fear. The one major thing that has crippled the city from my P.O.V. is this fear—especially the one that dictates you need to be home before dark. It’s paralyzed the potential life of this city. There is life but it’s hard to find. There’s barely anyone on the streets in downtown during the weekday. Even Seattle’s business core in downtown on a weeknight has more foot and car traffic, which is saying a LOT. People don’t just avoid public transit here. They seem to avoid side streets too. There is a clear and non-obvious social schism that’s ugly, either way you slice it.

Moreover, that fear perpetrates a lot of other bad “isms”, especially the one that begins with “rac”—which is another can or worms, I realize.

That said, as a white guy who looked very non-touristy, I was treated like an equal with almost everyone. It’s cliche to say it, but R-E-S-P-E-C-T is a requirement if you’re going to survive in St. Louis. People here have plenty of it and are willing to give it to you immediately, especially if you offer it first.

I’m not discounting the horror stories of muggings and shootings. There is a history I’m missing, and a week in 2008 just doesn’t bring me that perspective. I heeded all the warnings. However, I’ve heard these warnings in L.A. and Seattle too once upon a time. Many years later, after the pluses and minuses of gentrification, I don’t hear these warnings anymore.

Perhaps one day, for better and worse, nobody will have to be afraid to walk in St. Louis after dark anymore, and much of the fear will be extinguished. And hopefully, gentrification may not be necessary at all to achieve this.

So while I highly encourage people to visit St. Louis, especially if it’s on the way or there is a special event, just be forewarned that it’s a city stilled ruled by fear, even if it’s on the verge of overcoming it.


Comments:

niccademius
St. Louis

Thank you very much for the very fair and objective review, Mackro. Fear regarding the city is definitely an emotion that is prevalent throughout the metro area…though most of the time it emanates from county residents who spend limited time (if any) in the city, rather than from actual city residents themselves.

There is indeed no need to walk the streets of STL in fear. Use common sense and street smarts, yes…just like any other urban city. But fear it? Absolutely not. As a STL city dweller for the past 8 years, I confidently walk my streets after dark.

Also, should you return, I recommend visiting the Southside – much of the life in STL is in its individual neighborhoods rather than downtown. If carless again, take the Metrolink to the Grand station, and take the #70 Grand bus south to South Grand and Tower Grove neighborhoods. There are other great neighborhoods to visit on the Southside, but they can be more complicated to get to using public transport.

whitepepper
30 places

You are absolutely right. This city has a lot of soul and character but it struggles to overcome its own sense of fear. One of STL’s major challenges is the division between the core and the suburbs. People in the suburbs actively fear the city and even fear public transit services being extended into their neighbourhoods!

I agree that if you should ever return, enjoy south city (the south side) – there is some wonderful architecture and restaurants. South Grand is a good place to start.

Thank you for your fair review.

zgare
St. Louis

Fear?

Fear? I’m not sure where you are getting this. I don’t know what part of the St. Louis you visited but I’m guessing it was the old city, which is only 1/12 of the metro area. And probably the North side, not central or South. So you are probably talking about a tiny fraction of St. Louis.

I have lived in the suburbs for 30 years and I wouldn’t know there was any crime in St. Louis if I didn’t watch the news. None of it has happened to me. Check the Forbes 15 most dangerous cities list for 2009. St. Louis isn’t in it. Check CQPress most dangerous metro areas. Seattle is 122. St. Louis is 127. http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/MetroCrime2008_Rank_Rev.pdf
So you need to move from Seattle to St. Louis is you fear crime.


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