United States: Ohio: Oxford: Miami University:  The Mouth Of The Great Miami

JP Creighton
Miró: Chicago

People, do you know your history?

In January 31, 1786, here the Treaty with the Shawanoe was signed by representatives of the Nation and the U.S. of America. This was one of the first of the Treaties to be broken. In bad faith trust was betrayed by the United States.

The First Peoples who once held all the land in America, retain only about 200,000 square miles. The Light-skinned Europeans, who started out with no land at all, now hold about three million square miles. The first of 370 treaties between the United States and First Peoples’ nations was signed in 1778—The last was signed in 1868. In 1871, Congress declared that the U.S. would no longer view Indian tribes as separate nations and would sign no more treaties.

There’s a whole vast area of forested remnants in southern Illinois and Indiana. In Illinois there’s a National Forest named after the Shawnee. But who in Illinois or Indian, who in Kentucky or Ohio has ever met a Shawnee person?

Comments:

oldfiddler
Massachusetts

Old News

There were numerous treaties and agreements between Europeans and native people in North America before this one you mention. And yes, pretty much all of them, and all the ones that came after, were broken. So, your point….?

cafegroundzero
Illinois

Yes, maybe to you, sir.

Good day, or good night, whatever the case may be.

The point may have been lost on you, perhaps through my rhetorical failure. In any case, many people in the United States seem to have relegated this history to the dustbins of history, and I suspect many more are just ignorant of it.

You do not seem to be one of the latter. If you are up on your history, then good for you, I congratulate you. I think I had in mind others who may not have had an education in this area, or may have merely glossed over it.

I see by your goals that you seem to have your sights set on Europe. Very well. I too, would like to move there. Yet I still maintain a strong interest in learning about what First Peoples/Native Americans/Nations cultures and languages are still alive. Yes, I realize this is not of interest to everybody.

Do you have a stand on this? I think there is some reconciliation, some corrections in justice, that are in order. That for now is my point.

asstronaut
Raccoon City

History is complicated...

There’s a whole vast area of forested remnants in southern Illinois and Indiana. In Illinois there’s a National Forest named after the Shawnee. But who in Illinois or Indiana, who in Kentucky or Ohio has ever met a Shawnee person?

Have you been to the vast area of forested remnants? Would you recognize this ‘Shawnee’ if you saw him? What about Johnny Depp? Would you settle for a Miami? What about any of the Algonquin? Would you be disspirited if they didn’t live up to the imagination?

I am often intrigued that in a desire to maintain a myth of European ancestry, more Americans would prefer to believe that they killed people off than bred them into dilution.

That vast forest is a wonderful place, though.

JP Creighton
Miró: Chicago

Yes, I've been maybe a dozen times

And your sarcasm is not lost on me. What about Johnny Depp? Is he Shawnee? Half-blood? Does he speak any Shawnee? And why do you ask if “I’d settle” for a Miami? Are you in a position to bargain here? Am I in a position to bargain? Where are you trying to take this conversation?
I’m glad you mention that Americans seem to prefer to believe they killed off the Native Americans. And your point about recognition is well taken. As far as I know, there’s no one “native” look. And I’ve never met a Shawnee, so no, I wouldn’t recognize one by sight, not even if they wore distinctive clothing, because I don’t know enough about the traditional Shawnee clothing. More likely than not, they dress just like us.

asstronaut
Raccoon City

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us?


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